terrisiri Hi Terri. When I did the 3175 method for Pick 4, I did it on 9/26/17 Tues nite, for Wed 9/27/17 EVENING play. And please remember, it did not work the following day on 9/28/17 using a new set of numbers that came from whatever hit on the 27th. I returned to studying here after that. But that would have been a big fish, if even as a once in a while win using that method! I just wanted to try it, and it almost played right into my hands. I know there are several ways to do it. Choosing numbers across, up, down, the date you're doing it for, like, 9-27, and then use the (7), and look for your 7 in your numbers that comes out, and therefore choose the numbers that surround it. But like anything else, you choose one way, and it ends up being the other way, or the other number. And sometimes it's a bullseye! Regardless, nothing beats a fail but a try.